Saturday, May 31, 2008

DC2 - Sid Marshall's collection - Bankstown

A view of what appeared to me at the time to be Sid Marshall's "outdoor" collection on a smallish block of land next to Bankstown Airport. You don't find this sort of treasure trove these days. It's circa 1974 I guess, give or take.

14 comments:

Phil Blake said...

My parents and I knew Sydney we'll in fact they sold him the dc2 which was used for joy flights at the banks town corner.always remember crawling all over his collection and flying with him as a kid as my parents owned an aircraft business at banks ton at the time and I virtually grew up there.whatever happened to the gypsy baby which he said was mine as akid.fond memories.

gtveloce said...

Thanks for that interesting post, Phil! I hung around Syd (Syd or Sid, never sure which is right) Marshall's hangar at Bankstown as a kid in the late 60's as often as I could drag my father there... I remember a few "Moths" but not a "Gypsy baby". I know the Puss Moth VH-UQB ended up in Scotland, still in Marshall colours!

He also had a DH-84 Dragon which I think ended up also somewhere in the UK. One DC2 stopped flying in '57 and was dragged around a bit after that (travelling by road between Camden and Banstown) and is possibly hiding "somewhere in Sydney" in unfinished 'restoration'! If anyone knows where.... please post!

Phil Blake said...

Hi gtveloce. I was al bit loose with the gypsy baby.what I meant was thel little aircraft slyd and jack built with I think a motor bike engine.he used it as advertising for joy flights at banks town corner as we referred to it.it was a non flyer but that didn't stop me from pretending.i forgot to mention earlier but my name used to be Greg Murray, son of Alan and Phyllis who operated Murray aviation until it was torched in the mid fifths.have lots of fond memories of syd and jack.the dc2 you refer to was probably once ours.

gtveloce said...

Hi again Phil, my name's Rob Russell by the way, and thanks for the extra info. I'm too young (I'm "only" 56) to remember Murray Aviation as it was but I have stumbled over your dad's name when researching Bankstown Airport history. I also remember a tiny single seater "Penguin" that Syd had... it was so small it must be the "baby" you mean - and after passing through Joe Drage's collection and a few other hands it's now in NZ - here's a video of it from about 3 years ago.

Phil Blake said...

Rob.great to hear from you and you are spot on with the penguin.i was only about seven at that time so the memory banks are a bit hazy. Thanks for the video other than a change in colour that's the one.i have a photo somewhere and I will try ti find it and get it to you somehow.....
On reflection I think my parents business may have been sky craft aviation but not sure.i have memories of sitting on my fathers knee as we flew over Sydney harbour and hanging on to the rear of SIDS pilots seat on flights in the dragon.hope we can catch up one day and swap stories.regs...Phil.

Phil Blake said...

Hi rob.
I did reply to your last post but it doesn't seem to be there.did u rec it or did I bugger up. Phil

gtveloce said...

thanks again Phil - ooops, my fault. I was looking the other way for a bit! I use a manual system to approve new posts. It helps avoid spamming; downside is if I don't look at my email often enough then nothing gets approved! Anyway, all fixed now :)

Not sure my stories are as good as yours! I've never flown in a DH Dragon for example! Would love to see any pics from back then - my email is gtveloce116@gmail.com by the way. Cheers, Rob.

Andy Dallibar said...

Hi, hopefully you can help with the whereabouts of the DC2 that was moved fron Narellan in the very late 70s. I, my brothers and mum & dad lived in the house that was owned by Harold Thomas on the same plot of land as the DC2. My mum is in that area now and it would be good to get her on a mission to see it again.

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gtveloce said...

To my knowledge there are just 3 DC-2s remaining in Australia, but the one you knew has left the country I'm afraid. You'll have to get your mum over to the Aviodrome in the Netherlands!

It was at Narellan as you say, but was later moved to The Oaks airfield in the early '80s. It was previously owned (I think!) by Syd Marshall and was probably in his backyard at Bankstown for a few years. It was sold to Harold Thomas at some point and was moved around when the museum was kicked off Camden AP, as you probably know. It was s/n 1288, or A30-14 in RAAF service. I think Harold sold it on to Ralph Cusack (famous for his warbird restorations) who sold it to a museum group in the Netherlands in maybe late 1980's for preservation.

The other DC-2 I remember at Bankstown was VH-CDZ, s/n 1376. It also was ex-Syd Marshal, as per several other Bankstown machines. It was previously KNILM, then war service and ANA. Syd bought a few DC-2s after the war but airlines policy meant he couldn't fly them on RPT routes. So he parked them at Bankstown AP, or in his nearby backyard.

But VH-CDZ flew on charter and joy flights so was in good nick. AFAIK it's still at Bankstown and possibly fully restored. or close. Owned by Steve Ferris I think. Other non-Marshall DC-2s include one that may still be at Morrabbin museum s/n 1292, and one at Albury s/n 1286 (really old, corroded machine).

Andy Dallibar said...

Thank you for the informative reply, I heard a rumour a few years ago that it was in Europe somewhere. It may have even been the Netherlands that i heard of. I think my brother mentioned it. But with my mum seing her brother in Australia I thought it would have been nice for her to see it. Never mind. She is back in the UK now anyway.
Regards
Andy

Andy Dallibar said...

Thank you for the informative reply, I heard a rumour a few years ago that it was in Europe somewhere. It may have even been the Netherlands that i heard of. I think my brother mentioned it. But with my mum seing her brother in Australia I thought it would have been nice for her to see it. Never mind. She is back in the UK now anyway.
Regards
Andyr

kirk said...

I've read with interest some of the comments reference Sid's collection. I too, spent a lot of time in his hanger back in the 60's. Members of my family worked with Victa, Beech and De Hav's. I spent a lot of time crawling over the Spitfire, which sat on the ground with its wings resting against the wall. (Now in Temora) When they produced the Battle of Britain movie, the story goes that they offered to restore his Spitfire to flying condition and return it, plus one of the mock ups. The ME109 used to hang from the ceiling, so you had to climb up to it. (if you paid) There are photos of this aircraft on its legs outside the hanger. After somebody tried to export it on the sly, (discovered by Customs, no names)it sat at Lidcombe Airforce (?) storage facility until it went to Canberra to the War Memorial. Still remember the sad sight of it, sitting on the floor out at one of the storage facilities. It now hangs inside the WM. Can't remember the aircraft type of the Japanese aircraft which hung beside the ME109. That small homebuilt on the back of the truck was parked every weekend down on the corner of HLD and Milperra Rd. I don't know how many young kids sat in that thing and dreamed of flying. I was lucky enough to fly in the Dragon and Auster each time I saved enough money, and eventually went on to learn to fly at the Aero Club in later years. That hanger was the best playground.